Comics 2.0

topic posted Mon, October 1, 2007 - 7:23 AM by  Caine
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What do you guys & gals think? Will comics die off (as been predicted many times throughout its history) or evolve. If its going to evolve where do you think it will go? I don't mean where do you guess it will go, where do you think that the readers and retailers allow it to go? Online with more of a moving (flash animated) cinematic style? Maybe online for the "delivery" of product only (of course the retailers won't like that) much like comic pods?

I ask because I (as I'm sure at least a few of you) would love to get in on the ground floor of comic books 2.0...
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Caine
Portland
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  • Re: Comics 2.0

    Mon, October 1, 2007 - 7:54 AM
    Hi again!
    Comics will never die. I think they will become more animated and more e-zine and independent which is a good thing. Publishing on demand and websites like alterna comics are the wave of the future. I hope that books don't go away though. I still want to curl up with a big stack and that's just not the same with a laptap.
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      Re: Comics 2.0

      Mon, October 1, 2007 - 1:41 PM
      Sue, I agree.. I think people still enjoy the paper... books are in the same category. I love reading a good book or comic. I might be old fashioned but a pdf just isn't the same.

      On the comic front I think there will be paper comics for a long time but it has certainly lost a lot of what it was when I was a kid and every corner store sold comics. It's a 2 edged sword I think.. on one hand there is a much smaller audience, which is not good but on the other hand the stories and production is SO much better overall then it was 20 years ago (or whatever). Better paper and color at least. Also, for the most part even the big 2 have had to work with the truly gifted writers, artists, colorists, etc. out there making for better stories.

      Clearly, the big bucks are in movies and merchandise for Marvel and DC, etc. but it all stems from the paper comics for the most part.
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        Mon, October 1, 2007 - 1:42 PM
        Not that I'm against non-paper forms. I think web comics are very important and a great way for independents to get noticed without help from the big 2, dark horse, etc. I love Slave labor, Oni, etc. but even for those companies you have to fit a mold to get into their stables.
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          Mon, October 1, 2007 - 2:41 PM
          How would you respond to the argument that there are so many web comics out there that there are too many to have any real lasting impact on any one reader (or creator)? That they are all over the map, which means they are too fragmented to be called an "industry"?
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            Mon, October 1, 2007 - 3:30 PM
            Hey, interesting thought. I think people find a few key comics that they like and stick with them for the most part. But given the volume available that leads to a fractured user base. There have been some obvious successes that rise out of the herd, to mix medaphors :) Megatokyo is one that comes to mind. I sat in a conference with independent creators at dragoncon (Ted Naifeh, the creator of Owly, the creator the "devil's panties", etc) and one of the things they touched on was using the web to launch into comics. The feedback from the panel is that the key is to be consistent in both content quality and delivery .. to have updates very often (daily if possible) to catch and keep an audience. Otherwise they drift off to another comic that is consistent. I know, personally, there are only a couple of that I watch and I rarely look at others unless someone recommends it.
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              Mon, December 31, 2007 - 3:52 PM
              I guess it's a little bit ironic, since I publish my own comic in web form, but I read very few web-published books or even digitized download books. I love the paper! I do publish the work in print as well, but the web is still the first, best way to get your work out there to those that want to read it. Particularly if it's free, accessible and interesting. That said, I do publish full pages on the web, which of course is the same, tired challenge: vertical aspect ration on a landscape monitor. I made a comic viewer with a few resolution standards, directly accessed through the main site, but in the end, the best results are still to read the PDF download... I don't know the answer to how to make webcomics as emotionally satisfying as paper books.
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                Re: Comics 2.0

                Wed, January 2, 2008 - 2:37 PM
                I agree.. I love the paper. I actually drive about 45 minutes to go to a comic shop that I like every month to get my fix, er, comics. Even with Megatokyo my daughter bought the books and I read those and thought "I can't wait for the next one" even though there is a lot of later stuff online. Marvel has that new "read everyting ever" online digital service that sounds interesting but I would probably end up not reading the stuff after a couple of months.
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                  Tue, May 27, 2008 - 12:05 PM
                  Here's what happens for me....I see a cool independent comic on the web, I view enough pages, usually 4 or 5 that convince me I'll like it and then order the book from where-ever it's available. I pre-order a lot of stuff too. I love the paper too. But, I can get hooked on a book online. But, ultimately, there's just something about a book store that is not ever going to be replaced by a computer.
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    Wed, January 2, 2008 - 4:45 PM
    It's already been discussed in other replies, but it's pretty obvious that web comics will play a huge role in the evolution of comics.

    I published my own book for a year and a half, first online, then followed by print. Working the social circuit on cons, I found more than one indie creator who started that way; or even continues that way. Web comics offer a level of diversity not usually found in print; as it's geared directly for its target audience, and not so much to attract the attentions of today's kids who pop into their local shop to check out the latest Pokemon cards, or whatever else they're playing today. And that's good, because print is finally seeing a resurgence of other genres, like Westerns, Biographical, a boom in Fantasy, and a lot more Sc-Fi.

    I think a couple have also mentioned, much like other experts in the biz, that print will never die. Large collections, monthly issues, and graphic novels, are, in a lot of cases, more immediate, and don't stop at the end of a cable, or power cord; or are limited by hardware memory. The tools available now also come into play in the evolution of comics, too. Digit printing has lead to on demand publishing; all but eliminating minimum print runs of smaller books, which cut cost and risk as well as opening the door to color printing.

    I think, and see it in today's young independents, that the real evolution is going to be in how comics market themselves, and what kinds of flash attach themselves to comics; whether cultural or in regards to marketing. On demand publishing and networking sites (Like, say, Tribe, or My Space) allow creators to directly market their stories and ideas to fans of that particular style of story telling; be that Sci-Fi, Soap Opera, life based comedy, or Fantasy.

    Publisher sites now use Flash, and other animation, to make their books pop; adding effects and even music. Previews of books are now made available for download. Special animated panels are added to pages on digi comics. Email and message boards have now opened avenues directly to creative teams, and even allowed immediate feedback back and forth.

    I guess, from what I see, the future of comics is the waining of the influence of the big houses and the power of small indies. Want to get on the ground floor? Just publish directly to the market, yourself.

    Of course, that's just my $.02. Your mileage may vary.
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      Re: Comics 2.0

      Thu, January 3, 2008 - 9:49 AM
      Good summary man... btw, I dig your work in your "photos"... cool characters.
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        Re: Comics 2.0

        Thu, January 3, 2008 - 11:15 AM
        Thanks, Will.

        Yeah, I guess you could say I'm into comics... LOL

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